Science vs. Religion

[TheForsaken]

[Wael90]

Like.. Seriously..

[FireStorm]

Originally Posted by Wael90

Like.. Seriously..

if you beleive in science your eyes are open to the truth,and so your christian beliefs shed away as you gain more scientific knowledge

People have been making up Gods for thousands of years.If there was a real christian god, all would have known it, the world over, there would be historical,and archaeological evidence from the various cultures,that were dominant then. You would think with the lack of communication then, that god would have shown himself the world over,and not at the region where all the stories originated. It's proven that all humans migrated from africa, not the middle east. Like I said the bible is nothing but a charade, no proof, no archaeological evidence that these men even lived outside of the bible. To be fair you outta step back and take a look, outside that bible of yours.

[Wael90]

That's all good and stuff but I don't know much about Christianity and quite frankly I don't care about it either. I do respect it as a religion but that's it. Therefore, I know nothing of what's written in the bible except for a few lines that were said in "The book of Eli".. Good movie.

[Imrahil]

I don't get this discussion. You all believe in one or the other. OK, I get that. But why is it so important for some people to prove believes. Are they not called believes for a reason?

be·liev·ing.
verb (used without object)
1.
to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.

So you can't proof believe its something you yourself do; if it is in a god, science or invisible dragons you don't need proof because you believe it is true.

As I said before in this forum, as long as people don't come to my door or want to convince me of there believes (that are there owns to have) they can do or believe what ever they want, keep it to yourself.

[FireStorm]

Originally Posted by Imrahil

I don't get this discussion. You all believe in one or the other. OK, I get that. But why is it so important for some people to prove believes. Are they not called believes for a reason?

be·liev·ing.
verb (used without object)
1.
to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.

So you can't proof believe its something you yourself do; if it is in a god, science or invisible dragons you don't need proof because you believe it is true.

As I said before in this forum, as long as people don't come to my door or want to convince me of there believes (that are there owns to have) they can do or believe what ever they want, keep it to yourself.

You could have avoided typing all that, by just using the word faith. Thats what leads them to their wizard in the sky. Faith.= An Assumption. What would you believe in, information based on assumption, or information based on evidence?

Wael christianity, muslim, dai lama, it's all the same bullshit too me. Just feel for all the indoctrinated children out there. Until religion ceases to be a crux on human kind, we will never be able to advance as a species.

[Imrahil]

This discussion goes to the very thing you all argue against. "Let me be, don't put the religion in my head". You could also say, "let me be don't put the science in my head".

I think we all have our believes and truths. There is no universal truth. You believe in your truth I believe in mine.

People who think there is a god don't need to prove it or give evidence, believe can not be proven. You can say science gives evidence for it to be not true, so religion can't be. But that is not the point it has nothing to do with evidence or giving prove or whatsoever, it has to do with what you believe is your truth, what you feel about it.

The very discussion, misunderstanding and slander to each other (religious people and non-religious people) that make the wars and killings, not just one of the groups.

[FireStorm]

Originally Posted by Imrahil

People who think there is a god don't need to prove it or give evidence

With that thinking,might as well follow a cult and drink poisoned kool aid. Only a fool would blindly follow something with no evidence, hence we whave the cults who love to brain wash easy minded sheep as yourself.

Originally Posted by Imrahil

People who think there is a god don't need to prove it or give evidence, believe can not be proven

You just admitted their beliefs can't be proven. Hypocrisy effect here

For 1 thing religion is slammed in my face on a daily bases, all around me. Wars will cease.and mankind will advance when you get rid of religion,and focus on scientific truths, not from a book of lies and contradictions.

[Enlighten]

Originally Posted by Imrahil

This discussion goes to the very thing you all argue against. "Let me be, don't put the religion in my head". You could also say, "let me be don't put the science in my head".

I think we all have our believes and truths. There is no universal truth. You believe in your truth I believe in mine.

People who think there is a god don't need to prove it or give evidence, believe can not be proven. You can say science gives evidence for it to be not true, so religion can't be. But that is not the point it has nothing to do with evidence or giving prove or whatsoever, it has to do with what you believe is your truth, what you feel about it.

The very discussion, misunderstanding and slander to each other (religious people and non-religious people) that make the wars and killings, not just one of the groups.

I agree a little in what you say. There is no need to argue about who is right. I actually believe having a little faith is quite healthy. Having faith that a higher being out there may have some how aided in the creation of everything is okay. It provides comfort. Hope.

Religion on the other hand, takes faith a step further. It doesn't let you be free with your thoughts at all. It tells you this happened. And then this happened. And then this guy was born here. And then this guy killed this guy. And so forth. Religion is faith with rules; with guidelines. If you don't believe in one aspect or event of your religion, can you truly say you are part of that religion?

Faith should be free of rules. It should be free of restrictions.

As of your last point, how many wars are started because of science? How many wars are started because one country "believes" in science, and another in religion? If you're curious, the answer is none. Yet how many wars have started from religious disputes and disagreements? The Crusades should be one of the first you think of. There are several hundred after that.

Faith is definitely, what I feel, a beautiful thing. It is something I believe every human being should have and hold on to. But religion? Religion is telling someone to believe in this. And then this. And then this. Does that feel like faith to you?

[Wael90]

Let's clear something up here. There's free will in the wolrd today, I have no problem with atheists and I won't judge anyone by that. What I can't stand is mockery. Atheists making fun of religious people and criticizing them are retarded in my book. You can be atheist but that's your concern and the rest of the world doesn't really need to know about it. And stop shoving it on my face the whole freaking time, acting all great and FREE that you're not tied by any religious beliefs and lies. Like I said, it's your own life, you chose what to do with it.

Also, for religious people.. No need to keep telling everyone about how religious you are or act superior about it. It's not like it works as a referral system or anything so stop telling everyone what to do or how to live. Focus on your own life instead.

That said, atheism has become quite a trend over the past years and it will become even bigger in scale and confrontations. That you cannot deny, any person who spends some time on the Internet can pretty much tell.

Science doesn't necessarily contradict with religion.. Sure, it's trying to find different answers to religious issues and stuff but they don't force you to give up faith just because a few things can be explained in more than one (religious) way. Science is just embracing religion and trying to work with it but the average person on the planet is quite retarded to comprehend even the simplest of things. Latest example.. God particle.. Quite many people think scientist found God himself. Like, literally. Meh, I'm outta here.